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October 31, 2007

A Couple More Thoughts

by Paul Alexander

Jonathan, you said our misguided brother heading into ministry was using the language of "God calling me." I would encourage him that any internal sense of calling needs to be confirmed by the church externally. 1John 4:1 "Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God...." This command is addressed to the whole church. This isn't to claim that the church has "more" authority than the Spirit. It's that God has saved us into a community in order to help us test the spirits together. Besides, many people make autonomous decisions without seeking counsel and then try to make their position impregnable with the subjective "God is calling me to do it" rationale.

As to situation #1, the family who has a member persisting in unrepented sin as a professing believer, I think a good place to start is Mark 3:33-35 "Jesus said, who are My mother and My brothers? ...whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother." Or again in Matthew 10:34 "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and a man's enemies will be the members of his own household." Jesus redefines our family, and the truly believing family members need to agree with that in principle from the beginning of the conversation.

But I'd need to ask more questions. Is the immediate family member a spouse or an offspring? If he's a spouse with long-standing unrepentance, the situation is thornier, and I'd want to pray a ton and ask the advice of my elders. 1Peter 3:1 may apply if the sinning member is a husband. If the sinning member is a wife, then the husband still has a responsibility to provide food, of course (1Tim 5:8), even he doesn't eat it with her. If this is a 20 year old kid living at home because he refuses to work, kick him out (2Thess 3:10)! If the flagrance and repetitiveness of a gross sin poses a danger to the other members, is there also a social justice element that would need to come into play?

This is tough, but unless you other brothers can prove otherwise, and unless there's a missing fact that would change the situation, it's hard to see how we can ignore 1Cor 5:11 just because it hits us in the family room. But if the church is going to counsel a Christian family this way, then the church also needs to act like a family to them and walk with them through the process, probably through relationships built in a small group environment. This kind of ocounsel would have to come with a committment to fellowship and accountability. Let's not tell someone they can't eat with their spouse and then pat them on the back with a chipper "how's that working out for you?" Invite the spouse to dinner at someone's home occassionally (perhaps provoking the sinning spouse to a right kind of jealousy). Take them out for a meal. Pray with them through it. Love them through it.






Comments

I once heard someone say, "You may feel called to preach, but noone may feel called to listen to you."

Hey Paul, first of all I ahve to say that I am perplexed! I've never read of anyone before taking such position on a family member living a sinful life. If you read the comments on the post that brought the question up you will see a litle about what happened and is happening in my own family... I am trying to understand all the implications of your beliefs, they are hard sayings...
Well, may God help me to glorify him through all this.
God bless you, and by the way a friend of mine lent me your book "The deliberate church" for sure one of the best ones I have ever read about church! Thank you!

Paul
This is an interesting issue and not an easy one to work out all the particulars. When it comes to the immediate family and especially husband and wife, I think some different things come into play here. You said the wife of a sinning husband ought to abide by 1 Peter 3:1 in submitting to her husband even if they are "disobedient to the word." She should adorn herself with a gentle and quite spirit. I agree. But then when you got to the husband of a sinning wife you said he should minimally provide her food even if he doesn't eat with her. I disagree with that position. In the same 1 peter 3 passage it says husbands should live with their wives in an understanding way and grant her honor. Also, Ephesians 5:25 says that husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up fro her; that he might sanctify her by the washing of water with the word. He is to love his wife like he loves his own self. That is more than providing food and not eating with her. However, having said that, I beleive there must be an understanding that she is living in unrepentant sin and that it is not acceptable. but if the wife was totally shunned and neglected I believe we would end up with a lot more divorces than we already have. This is a touchy situation in a marriage and one that has to be approached with wisdom from the wordand the spirit of God.
Another twist to this is if the sinning spouse has commited the sin of aldultery. That gives the issue a whole new dimension. In that situation I believe repentance would have to take place before you could move on. Just some thoughts. Godspeed.
Robin Martin
Associate Pastor
Hillcrest Baptist Church
Carriere, Ms

Pastor Robin,

Could you please explain the last few sentences on your comment.

Greetings,

what if you attend an old Southern Baptist church that still operates under Deacons, does not practice church discipline, and has a great pastor who is looking toward retirement and does not like controversy (therefore, does not try to make drastic changes to the status quo regarding church polity), and the congregation does not know how to evaluate a person to verify their calling?

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