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April 03, 2008

I Move We Don't Vote So Much!

by Greg Gilbert

I’ve told the story here before of the raucous business meeting at our church where we had a knock-down-drag-out congregational . . . discussion . . . on whether the baptistry curtains ought to be left open during the Sunday morning services so people could see the mural of the Jordan River. We actually voted on that question, and we lost a few members over it, too. (The curtains stayed closed.) 

There’s an interesting pattern I’ve noticed in evangelical churches: The smaller the church, the more frequent the votes. Most of the mega-churches in the evangelical world don’t seem to do a whole lot of congregational voting. They have one or two or three members’ meetings a year (if that), and it’s usually to do massive business like buying land or adopting a multi-million dollar budget or calling a senior pastor or something. But that’s about it. The congregation doesn’t do a whole lot. Many of those large churches don’t even have the congregation vote new members in, or on cases of discipline. Those things are handled by the leadership.

It’s different in small churches—much different. In a small church, you generally have to vote on everything. Our church, for example, used to have a requirement that any expenditure over $150 had to be congregationally approved! Even worse, a member could make a motion during “New Business” to do just about anything under the sun, and the congregation would have to deliberate and vote on it. Keep the curtains open, close them, instruct the nursery director to buy a new puzzle, instruct her to take back the one she bought last week. “I move we use Welch’s grape juice instead of the Kroger brand—it’s kinda brown looking.” “I move we amend that motion to say Juicy-Juice instead of Welch’s due to the differentiation in the price.” "I disagree. Juicy-Juice is brown, too." And so on it went. 

In the years since those halcyon days, our church has moved to an elder-led, congregational government, and we’ve had to think through the question of just how elder-led the church ought to be. What kinds of things should the church vote on? Everything? Nothing? What decisions should the elders and other church officers be able to make without a congregational vote? I would argue (right now, that is—I could be convinced otherwise; that’s what blogs are for, right? Discussion.) that there are really only five things a congregation ought to vote on, three of which I see clear biblical instruction about, and the other two of which are mainly prudential. Here they are:

1. Membership and Discipline. Two sides of the same coin. The congregation as a whole ought to decide who is a part of its fellowship and who is not. This is clearest in the biblical teaching about church discipline. In Matthew 18 and 1 Corinthians 5, it is the church as a whole that makes the decision to exclude someone from its membership. Moreover, they perform that discipline by voting. (Note Paul’s use of the word “majority” in 2 Corinthians 2:6.) Given that, it only makes sense that the congregation ought to vote also on who comes into its fellowship. 

2. Leadership. I don’t see anything explicit in the New Testament—either by command or example—about the church voting on its elders. But it’s clear that they did elect, or at least somehow “choose from among themselves,” their own deacons in Acts 6. From that, and also from the fact that an erring elder is to be rebuked publicly (1 Timothy 5:20), I’d argue that the congregation as a whole ought to choose its own leaders. They ought to vote on their elders and deacons.

3. Doctrine. In Galatians 1, Paul holds the whole congregation accountable for what is taught to it. If false teaching is allowed to take root in the church, it’s the whole congregation’s fault. Moreover, the church as a whole is to anathematize false gospels, as well as the teachers who teach false gospels. Thus I believe the congregation ought to vote on adopting or changing its statement of faith. 

[4. Budget.] This is less clear to me than the others, but I still think it’s wise for the church to vote on its budget. That’s partly for legal reasons, and partly because it just seems good for the church to “own” its spending plan. The fact is, they’re going to “vote” on the church’s spending plan anyway, with their giving or lack of it, so it seems good to do it up front. Besides, perhaps there is some biblical precedent for this--even if not formal--in the Macedonians “pleading” with Paul to let them spend money for a contribution to the poor saints in Jerusalem. (See Romans 15:26 and 2 Cor. 8:3-4.)

[5. Rules.] This is also a matter of prudence. Though there are obviously some rules a church of Jesus Christ is bound by Scripture to follow, and you don't see churches voting on by-laws in the New Testament, it seems a good idea to have the church formally agree to the rules by which it will operate. That means voting on its own constitution and/or by-laws. For our church, this meant voting to adopt a constitution that fairly strictly (though not entirely) limits congregational votes to these five areas. In other words, the congregation voted to delegate a whole lot of decision-making responsibility to its officers, keeping in its own hands only those things which Scripture explicitly or implicitly puts in its hands—along with a couple of other things for prudential reasons.

The result of all this has been that our Members’ Meetings are wonderfully encouraging times now. The congregation knows where it must exercise authority, it knows what it has delegated to others, it votes on the important matters it is charged with voting on, we hear reports from officers about other decisions that have been made and implemented, and we don’t get bogged down with “bitty” little motions, discussions, and votes under “New Business.”

In fact, the church has learned over time that most motions from the floor will actually be ruled out of order. That’s because most of those motions, unless they fall in the categories above, would finally amount to the congregation “micromanaging” a decision that it has already—in its constitution and election of officers—delegated to someone else, usually to the elders or to a particular deacon. So for example, if a motion were made from the floor to buy a new microphone for the pulpit, the moderator would likely rule that motion out of order, gently explaining that the church already delegated authority over such decisions to its Deacon of Sound, and it cannot now step in to micromanage them. (Though the Deacon of Sound probably ought to take a close look at the microphone then!) Same thing if someone moved to forbid the Deacon of Sound to buy a new microphone: That would be out of order, because decisions like that were delegated to that officer, and the congregation should not micromanage after it has delegated. 

Of course, there are always safety valves in case of emergencies. The elders can immediately remove a rogue Deacon of Sound, for example. Furthermore, the church itself can unilaterally and immediately remove its elders and/or deacons if it needs to (that’s #2 above), and it can also change its constitution (#5). But all those of course are emergency actions, and the church would only use them in dire situations.

At any rate, I’m curious to hear from you other guys: Do your churches do something different from this? Do they vote on more things? Fewer? Are there potential landmines in thinking like this? Is it wiser to have a fully open congregationalism, where the church as a whole can do just about anything under “New Business?” Looking forward to your thoughts…






Comments

A personal comment (from experience) on #2 Leadership:

This may seem elementary, but I've ceased to be amazed at the lack of tact I see.

Voting on eldership should be from the perspective of "We, the elders, have examined the congregation, prayed, selected these men, examined their lives, prayed with them, tested them and found them suitable for the eldership. We present these men to you as elders. Do you consent?"

Perhaps accept suggestions (privately) of men for the elders to examine, but don't do any naming or approval publicly until the acceptable men are named.

Having someone be suggested and not chosen can be very humiliating when the questions start to get asked about why. Having meetings where people get nominated can be very prone to takeover by vocal folks.

Thanks for the post. As a church planter in a young church I'm wrestling through these issues in our context. Thanks for some things to think about.

Greg,
What's wrong with the TABC blog? Not much going on over there. Anyway, I have been really encouraged by our member's meetings. That is one of the first things that impressed Laurel and I about our church. Here is something I have a question on. Isn't the duty/calling of elders to be ministry of the Word and prayer? If so, how much time are our elders able to devote to those things? In other words, even though we have many deacons, it seems that our elders are often very involved in some of the smaller decisions that should have been delegated to deacons. Know what I mean? Is this the fault of the deacons or the elders, or is this the way it is supposed to be? Just wondering. It seems that if the elders were not involved in so many of the small details, they could devote more time to prayer and ministry of the Word. Does "elder led" mean that the elders are SUPPOSED to be involved in all of the little tasks? If not, what exactly does it mean? You guys just seem SO busy all the time that I wonder how you are able to devote yourselves to prayer and teaching the Word. I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say.

MMBC: Mega-Massive Baptist Church

Let me see. Last vote was on the release of funds to pay an architect to generate plans for a new building.

In 15 years, never seen a public discipline vote. We have had meetings in which the congregation was told not to ever talk about issues of discipline again. But discipline here is a hush-hush backroom deal kind of thing apparently. The guidance from the book of Matthew has been redifined to 1 on 1, 1 on 2, 1 on executive staff.

Greg:
Interesting thoughts as always. One thing you brought up was ruling motions out of order based on not being able to micromanage what you have delegated. While I personally agree that when someone delegates something to me that I do not want to be micromanaged, you are in a minefield here. As a parliamentarian I would warn you against this practice. The very ability to delegate to someone implies legal right to take away that delegation temporarily or permanently. By the same rationale a pastor could refuse to step aside when voted out! The danger is that if you start ruling out motions, you start closing down people's participation and that could open a church up to legal action.
Probably the best and most legal way to keep business meetings sane is to require that people present motions for new business in writing with a written second prior to the meeting. In addition you could mandate a second by a certain number of members so that 2 people cannot hijack a meeting.
Lastly, I would say that my experience has been in churches that often had the elders making all the decisions and the members feeling very left out and disenfranchised.

In Him,
Jon

Hi Jon,

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate having a parliamentarian weigh in!

To your last point, I think some of that feeling of disconnection can be addressed by delegating lots of decisions to people other than the elders---to various deacons, for instance. That's what we do, anyway, and those deacons are encouraged to get as much input as they can before making decisions in their respective areas.

But more importantly, your first point about ruling motions out of order is really interesting. Do you still have the same concern given that the "delegation" has happened by way of adopting a constitution? In other words, of course the congregation always has the right to revoke a delegation it has made, but the way to do that is not through a regular motion, but through a constitutional amendment. (Or at least through suspending the rules temporarily.) Right?

G

Greg:
To your question: the principle of parliamentary law is that anything you give away you have the right to take back. So if a legislative body sends something to a committee they have the right at any time to close the committee and bring it back to the assembly. Similarly, in a congregational government, what you are saying is that the congregation has the final say. So they may delegate to the Deacon of Sound to oversee that aspect but that does not preclude the congregation coming in at any time and making a decision. To rule that out of order would be an abuse of power by the moderator.
At the end of the day, the thing that gets churches in trouble is not usually grossly unethical behavior but failure to follow good procedure. I recommend that EVERY church 1) have a parliamentarian from outside their organization go through their constitution and look for problems; 2) review the constitution annually and see where there are things that are not being followed*; and 3) periodically (5 years or 7 or something!) review the constitution and revise it to update it.

*When the documents are not being followed it does not always mean you need to start doing what it says. You may need to change the constitution.

Jon,

I follow you. Let's use a different example. Say the congregation adopts a constitution that says it is the elders' responsibility to nominate other elders.

The congregation can't just "come in any time" and start making motions from the floor to nominate elders. That would violate a rule the congregation already adopted, and the moderator would HAVE to rule that action out of order.

If the congregation wants to nominate elders from the floor, it first would have to amend its constitution (by whatever amendment process the constitution stipulates).

Similarly, if the congregation adopts rules whereby authority to spend the "Sound" line of the budget is given to the Deacon of Sound, surely the congregation can't step in with a simple motion and ignore that rule they've adopted in the constitution?

If they can, then it seems to me that church constitutions would just be a set of suggestions for the congregation, not rules to be followed.

Where am I going wrong here?

G

P.S. So I'm not arguing against that principle of parliamentary law you lay out--that anything you give away you have the right to take back.

I'm just saying that surely you have to take it back in the right way.

I think you neglected to mention the sending out of missionaries (Acts 15:22).

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