I also kick puppies...
Hey Greg,
Thanks for stirring the pot. Shouldn't my WTS degree give me street cred with the PCA guys? Man....
It doesn't seem like Matt (we've never met, but he seems like a pleasant enough guy if his blog is any indication) and I disagree. Obviously, the gospel is the most important thing in considering a church. But it's possible to imagine a scenario in which more could be done to advance the gospel by going into an unhealthy church and trying to erect a faithful gospel witness there. You may not think that's pastorally wise, but I don't think you can say that it betrays a preference on my part for factionalism over the gospel.
So, recently some members from our church moved out west. They are a strong family; we were going to nominate the husband to be an elder before the military relocated them. I hope that they land in a Baptist church out there, even if it's not as strong. They could do a lot of good in that kind of situation.
On the other hand, we have a member who is not doing well spiritually at all. Lately, he's become involved in a high church, evangelical Episcopalian church in the area. It seems like a really good place for him, he's actually more engaged with the gospel than I've ever seen him. As his pastor, I'm thrilled. Do I disagree with the Episcopalian church on a lot of matters? Yes. Do I think those things don't matter? No. Is the progress in this guy's life paramount? Yes.
Hope that clarifies things.



Mike, that was a very helpful clarification. And yeah, we're not in disagreement.
A couple of comments on my blog and a few emails sent my way express doubt that Joe Churchmember could walk into, say a First Baptist Church of Anywhere, Alabama, and have much hope to see reform happen through their efforts as someone not in formal leadership.
I tend to agree, although I love the vision and courage of a guy willing to make that happen. My primary concern would be for his spiritual health - sitting under preaching that moves away from the Scriptures and the Gospel - as well as the spiritual health of his family, if he has one.
Posted by: Matt Adair | Jul 3, 2008 9:11:56 AM
I can understand that. But we're 9Marks... church reform is kinda of our schtick. If you want a quitter's blog, you'll have to go elsewhere. j/k...
Perhaps it's a matter of gifting and personality. Some people are energized by a challenge like that, others see the improbabilities more clearly.
Posted by: Mike McKinley | Jul 3, 2008 9:35:35 AM